Thoughts on Cult [spoiler version]

[Spanky]

Well technically since Cult is out (at least in the U.S., sorry other folk, but we'll keep this talk isolated here for another month or so), let's dig into the actual movie and share our thoughts.

As I said in the spoiler-free version, I thought it was decent, but a step down from Curse. It lacked in spots, and shined in others, so I guess I'll give my good and bad.

The Good (Guy Doll):

- The look of the doll was great, and the effects were excellent. They did a great job with all of that.

- Given the multiple doll stuff, I really enjoyed the banter between them, and the scenes with Andy and the head from Curse.

- Post-credits scene with Kyle returning was friggin' awesome. I don't know if this is just a fan service, or if she's back for good.

- I enjoyed the music and the setting, I thought it worked really well for the film, especially considering the budget.

- I thought the other characters really meshed well, especially Malcolm because it could tease a possession.

- I thought Chucky had some great humorous lines without going overboard.

- I enjoyed (somewhat) seeing a human possession. I thought Fiona did a crazy job acting just like her dad, and they finally answered the question of what happens to the other person if Chucky transfers into them (it appears they remain in the body as well). This offers potential of Nica fighting back, but it could turn to a goofy scene like in "Me, Myself, and Irene".

- Chucky bleeds again, for the most part.

- Stitch-free Chucky for the most part.

- Glen and Glenda are nowhere to be seen.


The Bad (No more Mr. Good Guy):

- Not the biggest fan of the multiple doll thing, to be honest. Also don't like how just they did that "voodoofordummies.com allowed me to change the chant". It seemed like a cheap plot device. Also, the chant is completed multiple times in this movie, whereas in the first 5 movies, he completes it like 2-3 times. Also, are there any bounds or limits on all this? It seems not, and I don't really like that, as it feels to heavy-handed in that sense, and honestly it gets closer to feeling like "Harry Potter" with Chucky putting his soul in many things (like Voldmort did with Horcruxes). What stops Chucky from doing this with every single thing he touches? Just seemed too overpowered.

- As Gee said in the spoiler-free section, as much as I don't want to say it, Jennifer Tilly's acting wasn't that good. And it seems the Tiffany doll is alive to, which I am meh on. It just further contributes to "too much going on" in a limited amount of time.

- I don't like how they just kind of killed Alice off-screen and briefly explained what happened. I mean this was the pre-credits end to Curse, and it just gets kind of glossed over.

- Not really a big fan of Nica walking after she gets possessed. I know Chucky retains his strength when he's transferring his soul, but that doesn't cure paralysis, does it? I mean it's voodoo, so anything can happen.

- 2 dolls are alive in the asylum, the head at Andy's, Andy's locked up, Chucky is in Nica's body, Tiffany is in herself and a doll? Once again, feels like a bit much, obviously leaves many options for a sequel, but just felt like Chucky/Tiffany was a little to overpowered this movie.

[necessaryevil]

Maybe (and this is purely speculation) it will be a you destroy the main chucky and this traps all souls in the current body / bodies situation. That prevents further transfers then.

[VoodooChild]

About the whole Nica walking thing: I just thought that dolls don't have any muscles to move with either, but look at Chucky go.

Is it just me or did Chucky seem kinda protective of Nica? I know that sounds super weird but he was SO angry at the doctor for the things he did to her. Also, "This is for Nica" while stomping his head to a pulp.

The scene with Chucky coming after Nica as a giant made me cringe. Lol. I think I was laughing through the whole scene with the three Chuckys. I feel like they all had their own personalities. Was the short-haired Chucky supposed to be going through puberty or something? I felt like the voice cracks were there on purpose, as the other dolls did not have those. He was so giddy, too. The "I've never felt so alive" "Well you've been alive for like two minutes" part made me laugh so hard lololol.

This movie was weird. It's gonna take time for me to get used to it existing in the series.

[Spanky]

The "main Chucky" thing does make it a little better, but it's just one of those "been done before" things.

And that's a good point about Nica walking, I guess that just falls under "voodoo magic", which is something I can at least suspend disbelief.

[Metal Matt]

So... what a movie that was. I honestly don’t know what to think about this movie. I guess if I had to say whether it was good or bad, I’d lean towards it being good, but that was just a weird movie.

Thought the acting was good for the most part. Every now and then either Brad or Jennifer would give a line reading that felt off, but otherwise, acting was really good.

Gore was insane.

The humor fell flat, TBH. Some of the scenes like Andy smoking weed with Chucky’s head or Chucky commenting on how “Hannibal” shouldn’t have been canceled felt really out of place in this particular movie.

There are confusing parts of this movie, though I guess that’s the point.

Multiple Chuckys finally ended up happening, lol. For what it was, I enjoyed it. Honestly, the entire third act was just insane. I don’t even know if it’s a good kind of insane or a bad kind of insane. But the movie was never boring.

The movie looks fantastic, very stylish.


Overall, I enjoyed this movie, though it might take a couple of viewings for it to fully process.

[Spanky]

Oct 3, 2017 14:19:38 GMT -6 Metal Matt said:

So... what a movie that was. I honestly don’t know what to think about this movie. I guess if I had to say whether it was good or bad, I’d lean towards it being good, but that was just a weird movie.

Thought the acting was good for the most part. Every now and then either Brad or Jennifer would give a line reading that felt off, but otherwise, acting was really good.

Gore was insane.

The humor fell flat, TBH. Some of the scenes like Andy smoking weed with Chucky’s head or Chucky commenting on how “Hannibal” shouldn’t have been canceled felt really out of place in this particular movie.

There are confusing parts of this movie, though I guess that’s the point.

Multiple Chuckys finally ended up happening, lol. For what it was, I enjoyed it. Honestly, the entire third act was just insane. I don’t even know if it’s a good kind of insane or a bad kind of insane. But the movie was never boring.

The movie looks fantastic, very stylish.


Overall, I enjoyed this movie, though it might take a couple of viewings for it to fully process.

With the humor, that "Hannibal" joke was just kind of both a little clever, but also kind of cringeworthy, to be honest. It kind of felt like a shameless self-plug.

And I agree about the movie never being boring, I'll give it that.

[Spanky]

And also, the short haired doll was weird as hell, but I kind of liked it in a sense from Andy having a strategy. To me it seemed like he did that for a couple reasons, the first obviously being the gun he planted inside, so he'd know which one to kill, and the second being that he knew that one would come after him because of messing up the hair. It also shows that Andy must have been somewhat successful in torturing the head in his cabin, because how else would he know to bring another Good Guy doll to the asylum?

But the part that let me down is for how smart and strategical Andy was, he kind of gets defeated (in the sense that he gets trapped) fairly easily. I am glad they didn't kill him off, because I feel like it should either end with Chucky dying at the hands of Andy, or if Andy must die, he takes Chucky with him and that's the end of Chucky forever. I also wonder how this will play out because part of me will think that Andy will be to blame for everything, but I mean there's organic blood and guts from a doll, and he's locked in a room, so how do people still not believe him, even a little bit?

[necessaryevil]

SPOILER: Click to show

Drill through the head. What a scene!

[Spanky]

That was pretty crazy. And since we are in the specific sub-board for spoilers, there's no need to use the tag.

[Dragon Prime]

At the end after the armless Chucky drilled multiple Malcom, he laid done on the couch on went into doll mode, but part of me wonders, does he know have the ability for his soul to leave a hosted body. That is the impression that gave me.

Same with the doll that possessed Nica, it was laying next to that Doctor as if the soul transferred more so than multiplied.

I really hope this new voodoo gets explained better in the next movie.

I also was not a fan of the "voodoofordummies.com" reference. To me that feels schlocky and also, what is to stop anyone from doing what Chucky does?

At least actually being a student of the black arts made it more specific, like only certain ppl who know their stuff can do what Chucky has managed to do so far.

[Spanky]

That's a good point about retracting his soul from dolls, I never thought about that.

[Dragon Prime]

Well, it would certainly make it easier for him to leave a crime scene by not being in a doll at all.

Still, this gives him way too much of an advantage.

I'll admit, many plot holes this film gave us when comparing to the other movies.

[Dragon Prime]

Also, since when was Chucky invincible?

His head still being alive, being able to rip off his own arm without it bleeding.

The short hair version bleeding in full but still being alive and okay after getting his stomach ripped opened, shot several times in the chest, and once in the head only to still be alive and ask Andy "You sent me?"

Granted that one died after Andy stomped his head in, but still, we've seen Chucky die from less in Bride and Seed.

Just seems weird how he can take so much more. Also his head still being a live was weird to me. Although it does go back to Don's original script idea of CP3 where kids are messing around in the old Good Guy factory, and find a piece of Chucky's face that snaps at them. So maybe he just doesn't die at all.

Still, being shot through the heart is apparently a guideline more so than a rule. Lol.

[necessaryevil]

The head in one stayed alive after being detached. The head in cult I assume is the one from curse which had already been knocked off once.

[necessaryevil]

Oct 4, 2017 4:12:08 GMT -6 Spanky said:

That was pretty crazy. And since we are in the specific sub-board for spoilers, there's no need to use the tag.

Confusing my threads. Just glad to be able to talk freely about it already.