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Post by smngry on Dec 8, 2014 1:12:35 GMT -6
So we find out the police are refusing to back up Karen Barclay and her son over the whole 'doll did it' thing. Surely Karen ought to have known the only response she would have achieved was getting locked up and treated like a mental patient. As far as the police are concerned (don't forget Mike Norris was in charge of the 'accidental death' of Maggie) Andy and Karen were never accused of any murders so it wasn't as though they had names to clear like Jesse & Jade did in Bride. Mike could've ruled Maggie as an accident, Eddie Kaputo was most certainlty ruled the same, John Bishop could have been offed by anybody, I mean he looked to be a little dodgy. The only person there may be questions over was the doctor from the nuthouse. But even then, I'm sure the fact Andy didn't do it would be noticed through forensic evidence such as finger prints etc... So really, they could've just kept quiet, gotten rid of the doll and everybody lived happily ever after. However, they went public, caused a controversy surrounding the Good Guy dolls and ultimately ended up causing Play Pals to seek out the original doll and unwittingly reanimate it... Rip my question apart by all means...  |
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Post by blah on Dec 8, 2014 1:23:02 GMT -6
Stop making it sound like they brought it upon themselves. The murders, the gunshots, the doll parts, they're all there. Trust me, if Karen and co. had the option to just sweep it under the rug, they would've. The courts aren't going to just sweep it under the rug hahaha.
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Post by smngry on Dec 8, 2014 1:25:23 GMT -6
So you're telling me it made more sense to go to the police and say "hey, those murders we that have absolutely nothing to do with, that you can barely link to us at all, they were caused by this doll."
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Post by smngry on Dec 8, 2014 1:26:19 GMT -6
And no, the courts didn't sweep it under the rug, they did the opposite, they handed the doll back to play pals and sent her to an asylum, leaving her son in the foster system
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Post by smngry on Dec 8, 2014 1:27:27 GMT -6
They evidence to support Karen must have been overwhelming eh? Ha ha
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Post by blah on Dec 8, 2014 1:57:10 GMT -6
I don't get it. Why wouldn't Karen go with the "Alive Doll" story? She was questioned, and she answered. She could've denied it, but she didn't.
We got variety. Some denied it, some didn't.
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Post by blah on Dec 8, 2014 1:58:36 GMT -6
And Karen backing up her son's story is consistent with her character. She IMMEDIATELY went to Norris after Chucky came alive and bit her. To deny the story would've been out of character.
And we don't know if the cops accused Andy of murdering Dr. Ardmore or not...
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Post by Spanky on Dec 8, 2014 5:54:06 GMT -6
Well if Andy was accused of killing Dr. Ardmore, then chances are they wouldn't just let him stay with any ol' foster family, at least not until he's cleared. As smngry said, they would have found prints, and saw CLR's DNA and whatnot.
As for why the police (Jack Santos and Mike Norris) went with the "alive doll" story to begin with, they were probably caught up in the moment. However they did reference the "who's gonna believe us" scenario at the end of CP1. But they were probably certain that they could get DNA evidence from the doll showing it has blood, hair, tissue, etc. Also, I don't think the courts simply handed the doll back, but it took a lot of lawyering on the toy company's part, especially the "we will inspect the doll" angle. But you figure they would have brought the engineers in to look at it as opposed to just hand it back and let the company do whatever, so I reckon there was a little bribing going on of some sorts.
But that's just my opinion. I am sure it's wrong, stupid, and all that.
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Post by smngry on Dec 8, 2014 7:00:35 GMT -6
I don't get it. Why wouldn't Karen go with the "Alive Doll" story? Because who would believe her? Who would believe her completely ridiculous story regarding murders that had absolutely no links to her at all? The doctor from the institution may have looked suspicious but it's not undisputed proof. They could quite easily have taken the doll, buried it somewhere and nobody would have been any the wiser. Karen gets to keep her son, vice versa, Andy says he ran home as his door at the insitution was unlocked. If you go to the police with an extremely outrageous story like chukcy being alive then you should know what to expect |
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Post by Dragon Prime on Dec 8, 2014 9:59:37 GMT -6
I am sure most of these events took place to get us a sequel with semi believable plot points so it give rhyme to reason.
If they did the smart thing Chucky would have been a one off film... and incident.
However, I do see the point, because no one will believe that story. Hell, even Curse displayed that with Nica's trial and that was the sixth film. You mean no one in that court room researched the urban legend and didn't find it odd? Lol.
I am also sure that the cops backing out didn't help her cause. They probably realized that their careers were on the line and had no choice. I hope we get to see Mike Norris in a later film, maybe the next one, and he is currently a retired detective and alcoholic. Constantly drinking away the bad dreams, convincing himself it wasn't real, and drinking away the guilt from what we did to Karen and Andy. Hence why he visits her on a regular basis and tries to help her when he can.
...sorry... I went off into dream land there. Lol.
Point is that I see exactly what Smngry is getting at. It would've made more sense to not even mention Chucky. However, they did so long live the franchise.
Still, he did leave blood behind. So either the forensic team didn't do a good enough job, or they were just so perplexed by the evidence they decided to remain silent.
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Post by Spanky on Dec 8, 2014 10:04:08 GMT -6
Yeah, like that is one aspect that get me. Then again, if I was in Nica's wheelchair at the end of Curse, I would have tried to do something to tempt Chucky into coming alive in front of everybody. Like try to light him on fire or something.
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Post by smngry on Dec 8, 2014 10:18:32 GMT -6
Yeah, like that is one aspect that get me. Then again, if I was in Nica's wheelchair at the end of Curse, I would have tried to do something to tempt Chucky into coming alive in front of everybody. Like try to light him on fire or something. He seemed impervious to pain in Curse, so whether that would work i dunno. Also, I'm not sure she would be allowed such things in a courtroom. But as Dragon Prime says. These things happened to give us the sequel, all I'm pointing out is the logic that would maybe make somebody in real life question whether mentioning the events to the police would be beneficial. What did they have to gain? A pat on the back for not committing those murders they were never blamed for? |
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Post by Spanky on Dec 8, 2014 10:23:21 GMT -6
Yeah I mean I figure she wouldn't be able to roll up and do whatever, so it'd have to be quick so she could do it before being restrained. And like he might not feel pain, bit if he was set ablaze and just sat there, he would be destroyed.
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Post by Dragon Prime on Dec 8, 2014 10:24:01 GMT -6
Well apparently things were off enough to end up being a court case issue. Most likely Andy's mental status and guardianship.
It could have all ended up as being coincidental. Then again all the Murders did have one thing in common... Andy was at the scene... accept for John.
I guess it's one of those things we'll have to ask Don about.
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Post by blah on Dec 8, 2014 13:28:18 GMT -6
I don't get it. Why wouldn't Karen go with the "Alive Doll" story? Because who would believe her? Who would believe her completely ridiculous story regarding murders that had absolutely no links to her at all? The doctor from the institution may have looked suspicious but it's not undisputed proof. They could quite easily have taken the doll, buried it somewhere and nobody would have been any the wiser. Karen gets to keep her son, vice versa, Andy says he ran home as his door at the insitution was unlocked. If you go to the police with an extremely outrageous story like chukcy being alive then you should know what to expect They wouldn't be able to bury anything because murders were involved. Which she DID have links too. Maggie was killed in her apartment while Andy was home, and Ardmore was killed while Andy was under his care. Not to mention the blood and gunshots and all that jazz at the end of the movie. The police wouldn't have let them bury or hide anything. If anything, that would've made them very suspicious and probably would've landed them in deeper trouble. It's the ridiculous story that probably saved Karen from harsher treatment. Again, they can't just bury the doll! The police need that evidence, whether Karen's story is crazy or not. Say the person next to me murders a random person with a knife, drops the knife, and runs away. And I don't feel like dealing with the police. I can't just throw away the knife. I can't just bury the knife. I know your point is "believability", but MY point is you can't just sweep all that CP1 apartment mess under the rug. It's not about belief, it's about tampering with evidence. |
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